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Add name of Raphael's father

Giovanni Santi (Raphael's father) has an English language Wikipedia page (Giovanni Santi) so the opportunity shouldn't be missed to include it here with a link: "His father was court painter to the ruler of the small but highly cultured city of Urbino." (second para) Sadie694 (talk) 16:27, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

He was linked in the detailed section below, but I have added another there(which some officious MOS-follower will probably remove eventually). Of the 2 places, the 2nd is the most appropriate. Johnbod (talk) 17:39, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Perugino link

"He trained in the workshop of Pietro Perugino" (para 2) - we don't know this, and it is indeed an ongoing debate in Raphael/Perugino scholarship. Sadie694 (talk) 16:29, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"probably" added. Johnbod (talk) 17:45, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Remove opinion

"After his early years in Rome, much of his work was executed by his workshop from his drawings, with considerable loss of quality." Suggest removal of 'with considerable loss of quality'. Our perception of 'quality' is different from the Renaissance perception (a patron may have only required a particular iconography/composition, and be very content with a more roughly painted workshop version, for example). In addition, this implies that all the workshop pictures are crude, when that simply isn't the case. Sadie694 (talk) 16:34, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This still seems to be the perception of contemporary scholarship, not to mention popular opinion. Johnbod (talk) 17:40, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of Perugino reference in Mond Crucifixion image caption

"very much in the style of Perugino". I'd suggest removing this reference, only because including it means it is wrongly omitted from the 'The Resurrection of Christ, 1499–1502 (São Paulo Museum of Art)' and 'The Wedding of the Virgin, Raphael's most sophisticated altarpiece of this period (Pinacoteca di Brera)', which are both based to a high degree on earlier works by Perugino. Sadie694 (talk) 16:41, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

So we should say it 3 times, or not at all? I don't see that, and the text also covers the issue. Johnbod (talk) 17:43, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]